In this episode, Sara sits down with Honesty Liller for a conversation about identity, self-trust and the courage it takes to create beyond the role people already know you for.
Honesty is widely known for her leadership as CEO of the McShin Foundation, where she has spent nearly two decades serving individuals and families impacted by addiction. Now, as she steps more fully into her work as a transformational coach, she expands her impact beyond one title, while staying rooted in the lived experience that shaped her.
Together, Sara and Honesty explore the pressure of being the strong one, the ways self-abandonment can hide inside competence and service, and what it means to trust your next chapter before it is fully formed.
The conversation moves through recovery, leadership, authorship, entrepreneurship, imposter syndrome and the daily practices that can help you stay grounded so you can build a life that reflects the fullness of who you are becoming.
We explore
Expanding beyond the role people know you for
The pressure of being the strong one
Self-abandonment in leadership, service and motherhood
The difference between performance-based confidence and grounded self-trust
Starting a coaching business while already holding a visible leadership role
Writing, recovery and trusting the creative process
Daily practices that support steadiness, presence and integrity
Letting your next chapter take shape before every piece feels certain
Timestamps
00:00 – Honesty’s story of recovery, leadership, and purpose
05:17 – Building confidence through daily habits and routines
09:58 – How suppression of needs can manifest in the body
11:14 – Self-abandonment, motherhood, and reclaiming the self
14:04 – Writing Scattered Pink and trusting the process
19:04 – Morning rituals, self-care, and protecting the nervous system
24:36 – Self-trust, co-creation, and believing in your own dream
28:45 – First steps for women with big dreams
30:07 – Collaboration, community, and finding your tribe
About Honesty Liller
Honesty Liller is a transformational coach, speaker, author and CEO of the McShin Foundation. For nearly two decades, she has served individuals and families impacted by addiction through recovery advocacy and nonprofit leadership.
Through her coaching work, Honesty supports women in building confidence, strengthening daily habits and creating lives rooted in self-trust, structure and personal responsibility.
Connect with Honesty
Learn more about Honesty and connect with her here:
https://www.honestyliller.com/
Book: Scattered Pink
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